Rama

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Name
Rama Gender: M
born on 10 January 5115 BC (-5114) (greg.) at 12:14:31 (= 12:14 PM )
Place Ayodhya, India, 26n48, 82e12
Timezone LMT m82e12 (is local mean time)
Data source
Date in question
Rodden Rating XX
Collector: Koch
Astrology data s_su.18.gif s_capcol.18.gif 22°53' s_mo.18.gif s_taucol.18.gif 00°59 Asc.s_taucol.18.gif 04°04'



Alternative birthtime
Proposal of Prafulla V. Mendki
Date 1 January 5649 BC (-5648) (greg.) at 12:11:39 (= 12:11 PM )
Place Ayodhya, INDIA, 26n48, 82e12
Timezone LMT m82e12 (is local mean time)
Astrology data s_su.18.gif s_capcol.18.gif 12°52' s_mo.18.gif s_aricol.18.gif 20°31 Asc.s_aricol.18.gif 19°43'


Biography

In Hindu belief, Lord Rama was the seventh Avatara of Lord Vishnu. He is the central figure of the Ramayana Epic.

Link to Biography in Wikipedia

Source Notes

A birth chart of Rama is described in the Ramayana Epic (1.17.5-10). While historians are of the opinion that these verses were not part of the original Ramayana, many Hindus do believe in the genuineness of these verses, and astrologers as well as astronomers have tried to figure out a historical date that matches this description. The verses give the following clues:

- Rama was born in the month Chaitra

- in the 9th tithi after newmoon with the Moon in the nakshatra Punarvasu

- with the ascendant (lagna) in Cancer

- with Moon and Jupiter rising together

- with five planets in exaltation (ucca)

Many controversies have arisen from these verses, as it is difficult (or actually impossible) to fulfil all these requirements.

Proposal of Pushkar Bhatnagar

The main date and chart provided on this page is based on the proposal by the Indian hobby astronomer Pushkar Bhatnagar in his book "Dating the Era of Lord Ram” (2011(3); first published in 2004).

Bhatnagar believes that Rama must have been born on "10 January 5114 BC". In order to reproduce the configuration intended by him, this date has to be interpreted as Gregorian with an astronomical (rather than historical) year number. Thus, in an unambiguous notation this date could be rendered as either Gregorian 10 January 5115 BCE (-5114) or Julian 20 February 5115 BCE (-5114). The latter would be conformable to standard dating usage in ancient history. The time chosen corresponds to exact local apparent noon.

Sidereal calculation (Lahiri) of Rama's birth chart according to P. Bhatnagar's proposal (10 January -5115 = 5115 BCE greg.)

In Bhatnagar’s proposal, month, tithi and the ascendant are correct and the five planets Jupiter, Saturn, Mars, Venus and the Sun are exalted. However, the Moon is not in Punarvasu, but at the end of Pushya. One day earlier, the Moon was in Punarvasu, but then it was the 8th tithi, not the 9th. The fundamental and unavoidable problem is that a Moon in the ninth tithi in Punarvasu is incompatible with a Sun in exaltation in Aries.

In 2015 Vinay Jha published a detailed critique of Bhatnagar's proposal in Hindi: Vinay Jha, "इतिहास का उपहास : श्रीराम जन्मतिथि एवं जन्मकुण्डली की भ्रामक व्याख्या का निराकरण" (Mockery of History : Refutation of Wrong Birthdate and Horoscope of Lord Rama). It can be downloaded as a PDF from here: http://vedicastrology.wikidot.com/mockery-of-history:horoscope-of-lord-ram .

Proposal of Prafulla V. Mendki

Sidereal calculation (Lahiri) of Rama's birth chart according to P.V. Mendki's proposal (1 January -5648 = 5649 BCE greg.)

The Indian engineer and hobby astronomer Prafulla V. Mendki in his book "Astronomy in Ramayana” (2015) believes that Rama must have born on 1 January 5649 BCE Gregorian. His proposal suffers from the same shortcoming as Bhatnagar’s solution: The month is Chaitra, the Moon is in the ninth tithi, but in the nakshatra Pushya, not in Punarvasu. One day earlier, the Moon was in Punarvasu, but it was the 8th tithi. The positions of Mars and Saturn do not fit as well as with Bhatnagar’s solution, but Mendki wants to do justice to other clues given in the Ramayana. Mendki is not an astrologer and does not believe in astrology.

Proposal of Padmakar Vishnu Vartak

Padmakar Vishnu Vartak, a doctor in medicine and expert in Yoga and Vedic spiritual sciences, dates the birth of Rama to 4 December 7323 BC. (http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/ramayan/rama_vartak.html ) If this date is interpreted as Gregorian and historical year numbering is used, then Jupiter and the Moon are rising in the nakshatra Punarvasu. The month is Chaitra, the Sun exalted in Aries, however it is the 8th tithi.

As to the positions of the planets, Vartak writes (brackets added by DK): "On this date, Saturn was at 205 deg (= 25 Libra)., Jupiter at 94 deg. (= 4 Cancer), Mars between 283 and 298 deg. (= between 13 and 28 Capricorn), Rahu at 179 deg. (= 29 Virgo) and Sun at 2 degrees (= 2 Aries). 4th Dec. 7323 therefore is the date of birth of Rama, when the aforementioned 4 planets exalted. Venus is always within 47 degrees from the Sun, and might be in Pisces in an exalted state. Thus Rama's date is confirmed." Unfortunately, almost all of this is completely wrong. The actual positions using Lahiri ayanamsha are shown in the sidereal chart below.

Correct sidereal calculation (Lahiri) of Rama's birth chart according to P.V. Vartak's proposal (4 Dec. -7323 = 7324 BCE greg.)

The chart also makes it obvious that no better date could be found close to this year. Jupiter in Cancer during Chaitra actually occurs one year later, whereas Saturn in Libra occurs two years earlier. Thus only one of these two criteria can be fulfilled at a time near 7323 BCE.

Approach of Satya Sarada Kandula

A different and interesting interpretation of the Ramayana verses is given by the Hindu scholar Satya Sarada Kandula (https://ancientindians.in/ramayanam/casting-sri-ramas-jataka-chakram/ ). He understands the expression svoccasaṃstheṣu pañcasu graheṣu as "the five planets being in their own OR exalted places", thus either in their domicile (sva) or in their exaltation (ucca). This interpretation is grammatically legitimate, although in Bṛhatsaṃhitā 16.40 and Yavanajātaka 8.5 svocca clearly means "own exaltation" (D. Koch). Unfortunately, this approach does not solve the fundamental problem of the lunar position either.

Approach of Vinay Jha

Seeing the problem of the above proposals, the astrologer and calendar expert Vinay Jha concludes that the lunar nodes Rahu and Ketu must be exalted (in Scorpio and Taurus, according to Bṛhatparāśarahorāśāstra 47.35), with only three other planets in exaltation. (http://jyotirvidya.wikifoundry.com/page/Lord_Rama_%3A_Dating )

The horoscope then looks as follows (paraphrase from the above link):

Certain facts :

Ascendant in Cancer, Moon in domicile and exalted Jupiter rising

Exalted Ketu in 5th house.

Exalted Rāhu in 11th house.

Sun in 9th house.

Doubtful :

Mercury in 8/9/10th house.

If Venus was exalted, then in 9th house, which is likely because Lord Rāma had arrived to sustain Dharma.

If Mars exalted, then in 7th house.

If Saturn exalted, then in 4th house.

Vinay Jha adds: "We need further research to clarify these dubious points. …

I made a special software for searching the date of birth of Lord Rāma few years ago, based on the undisputable combinations stated by Sage Vālmiki (the author of Ramayana, D.K.). With its help, I searched entire Kaliyuga (3101 BC onwards) and could not find a single date in conformity with what Sage Vālmike stated."


D. Koch wrote another such program that starts searching from 13000 BCE, and he could not find a date either.

If Kandula’s idea is followed and planets are allowed to be either in domicile or exaltation, the following dates are found:

22.12.-11984 BCE (-11983) jul: ex/dom=ju ve ma ra ke, mo-su=96.45, ju-mo=8.60

3.1.-9919 BCE (-9918) jul: ex/dom=ju ve sa ra ke, mo-su=98.79, ju-mo=10.72

4.1.-8934 BCE (-8933) jul: ex/dom=ju ve ma ra ke, mo-su=97.61, ju-mo=33.63

Jupiter rises long after the Moon, increase ayanamsha by 2°

15.1.-7855 BCE (-7854) jul: ex/dom=ju ve sa ra ke, mo-su=101.19, ju-mo=13.40

11.1.-7464 BCE (-7463) jul: ex/dom=ju ma sa ra ke, mo-su=96.26, ju-mo=11.21

14.1.-6870 BCE (-6869) jul: ex/dom=ju ve ma ra ke, mo-su=96.69, ju-mo=41.93

Jupiter rises long after the Moon, increase ayanamsha by 2°

15.1.-6349 BCE (-6348) jul: ex/dom=ju ve ma ra ke, mo-su=101.13, ju-mo=10.37

22.1.-5400 BCE (-5399) jul: ex/dom=ju ma sa ra ke, mo-su=101.87, ju-mo=10.53

8.2.-5103 BCE (-5102) jul: ex/dom=ju ve ma ra ke, mo-su=95.60 (!), ju-mo=16.98

26.1.-4285 BCE (-4284) jul: ex/dom=ju ve sa ra ke, mo-su=105.64, ju-mo=11.00

26.2.-3075 BCE (-3074) jul: ex/dom=ju ve sa ra ke, mo-su=95.02 (!), ju-mo=3.44

8.2.-2517 BCE (-2516) jul: ex/dom=ju ve sa ra ke, mo-su=102.22, ju-mo=33.61

Jupiter rises long after the Moon

22.2.-1829 BCE (-1828) jul: ex/dom=ju ve ma ra ke, mo-su=98.30, ju-mo=29.25

Jupiter rises long after the Moon

17.2.-1663 BCE (-1662) jul: ex/dom=ju ma sa ra ke, mo-su=105.08, ju-mo=25.73

Jupiter rises long after the Moon

19.2.-453 BCE (-452) jul: ex/dom= ju ve sa ra ke, mo-su=103.68, ju-mo=37.43

Jupiter rises long after the Moon

11.3.105 CE jul: ex/dom= ju ve sa ra ke, mo-su=97.03, ju-mo=11.15

1.3.627 CE jul: ex/dom= ju ve ma ra ke, mo-su=102.57, ju-mo=22.04


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