Krishna

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Name
Krishna Gender: M
born on 20 July 3228 BC (-3227) Jul.Cal. at 00:10 (= 12:10 AM )
Place Mathura, India, 27n30, 77e41
Timezone LMT m77e41 (is local mean time)
Data source
Date in question
Rodden Rating XX
Collector: Koch
Astrology data s_su.18.gif s_gemcol.18.gif 29°51' s_mo.18.gif s_piscol.18.gif 28°06 Asc.s_aricol.18.gif 06°18'



Alternative birthtime
Proposal of Prabodh Chandra Sengupta
Date 22 July 2501 BC (-2500) Jul.Cal. at 00:05 (= 12:05 AM )
Place Mathura, INDIA, 27n30, 77e41
Timezone LMT m77e41 (is local mean time)
Astrology data s_su.18.gif s_cancol.18.gif 07°17' s_mo.18.gif s_aricol.18.gif 10°28 Asc.s_aricol.18.gif 14°55'


Biography

In Hindu belief, Lord Krishna was the eighth avatara (incarnation) of God (Vishnu) and a teacher of spiritual wisdom. He is the central figure in the Mahabharata Epic and the Bhagavadgita.

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Source Notes

The birth date and chart of Lord Krishna is speculative, and even his birth year is unknown and debated. The main date and chart provided on this page is based on a proposal of the Indian astrologer Bangalore Venkata Raman in his book "Notable Horoscopes", p. 2ff. Raman dates the birth to midnight 19/20 Juli. The positions of the planets given by Raman cannot be reproduced exactly. There is an error of about a degree with the Sun and the Moon and an error of several degrees with the other planets. This is explained by the fact that Raman in his time did not have access to high accuracy Nasa ephemerides. Jupiter, who is in sidereal Leo according to Raman, falls into Virgo with accurate calculation and using Raman ayanamsha. The other planets remain in the same signs. In Raman's original chart, the Moon is below the horizon. Since the Sanskrit verse quoted by him says that the moon was just rising. (sudhāṃśor udaye in correct transliteration (D.K.)), we correct the birth time to 12:10 a.m., which makes the Moon just visible above the horizon (note the southern ecliptic latitude of the Moon!).

Sidereal calculation (Lahiri) of Krishna's birth chart according to B.V. Raman's proposal

Raman’s proposal is historically highly unlikely, but at least in agreement with Hindu tradition. It is based on the following facts:

(1) The Puranas state that Krishna passed away at the age of 125 years on the day the Kali age or Kaliyuga began.

(2) Tradition dates the beginning of the Kaliyuga to the midnight or sunrise of 18 February 3102 BCE (-3101).

(3) The Harivamsha states that Krishna was born in the 8th night of the dark fortnight of the month Shravana, at midnight with the moon rising in the lunar mansion Rohini. (Harivamsha 1.52 (Raman); or 48.13 in the BORI edition (D.Koch)).

Raman's date fundamentally depends on the reliability of the Kaliyuga Era. As the Kaliyuga Era is only attested to since about 500 CE and is most likely the result of a back-calculation by astronomers around that time, historians do not believe in it, although it is fiercely defended by Hindu traditionalists.

Incidental remark: Raman apparently did not notice that his date for the birth of Krishna falls exactly on the summer solstice. At least he does not mention it.

Since Raman's date follows rather straightforward from the above clues, the same date was also found by other authors, as can be seen from an online article by Suresh Sharma (http://shimlasuresh.blogspot.ch/2012/01/on-horoscope-and-date-of-birth-of-sri.html ). The dates given are slightly different, but they all intend the same astrological configuration. Kewal Anand Joshi gives 19 July 3229 BC, but obviously intends 3228 BCE, thus Raman's date. Arun Bansal proposes 21 July, but this does not fit the tithi.

Proposal of Prabodh Chandra Sengupta

Sidereal calculation (Lahiri) of Krishna's birth chart according to P.C. Sengupta's proposal

According to the ancient astrologer Varahamihira (Brihatsamhita 13.3), 2526 years passed from King Yudhishthira, who abdicated immediately after the death of Krishna, until the Shaka Era, which is dated to 78 CE. While some traditionalists try to reconcile this statement with the above-mentioned information by hook or by crook, it obviously points to a different life time of Krishna. Based on Varahamihira's statement, the Indian historian and astronomer P.C. Sengupta dates the birth of Krishna to the midnight of 21/22 Juli 2501 BCE (-2500) (Sengupta, "Ancient Indian Chronology" (1947), p. xvi). The time chosen is 12:05 a.m. in order to move the Moon just above the horizon.

Did Krishna live in the 13th century BCE?

It should be noted that alternative information given in Puranas point to even younger epochs. Puranas state that from the birth of Parikshit, the successor of Yudhishthira, until king Mahapadma Nanda, there are 1015 (var. 1050 or 1500) years (VP 4.2.24, MatsyaP 271.38, BhP 12.2.26). According to this, the Mahabharata War would have occurred roughly between 2000 and 1400 BCE, and the birth of Krishna a bit earlier. Based on astronomical information given in the Mahabharata D. Koch dates the Mahabharata war to 1197 BCE. (D. Koch, "Astronomical Dating of the Mahabharata War, 2015) If this is correct, Krishna must have been born in the 13th century BCE. Koch does not try to determine a birth date of Krishna.

Proposal by Padmakar Vishnu Vartak

Padmakar Vishnu Vartak, a doctor in medicine and expert in Yoga and Vedic spiritual sciences, dates the birth of Krishna on 23 May 5626 BCE, based on his interpretation of clues given in the Mahabharata and the Puranas. (https://classicalastrologer.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/birthdate_of_krishna.pdf )

He does not say whether this date is meant to be Julian or Gregorian, but the way he treats precession in his hand calculations indicates that he always uses the Gregorian calendar, even where he should not do so. E.g., in his criticism of Raman’s proposal at the end of his article he seems to be unaware that Raman uses the Julian calendar and mistakenly concludes that Raman's calculations were wrong. Moreover, it seems that Vartak uses astronomical year numbers, not standard historical year numbers (where the year 0 is omitted). Even considering all possible interpretations of the date given by Vartak, we cannot reproduce his calculations at www.astro.com. The required configuration of a waning half-moon (8th tithi) in the nakshatra Rohini does not appear on 23 May 5626 BCE (-5625), neither with the Gregorian nor with the Julian calendar. Nor can we reproduce it using astronomical year numbers, i.e. for 23 May -5626 (= 5627 BCE). Dates with a waning half-moon in Rohini near the date intended by Vartak would be 29 May 5626 (-5625) Gregorian and 11 May 5627 (-5626) Gregorian. But even these dates do not fit the planetary positions indicated by Vartak, namely: "during Shravan 5626 BC the Saturn was at 64 degrees, Rahu at 93, Jupiter at 100, Mars at 337, Venus at 82.13, Uranus at 15, Neptune at 178, Pluto 296." For such reasons, unfortunately, we cannot provide a Krishna birth chart according to P.V. Vartak.

Idealised Horoscopes

A 15th-century astrological work titled Khamanikya (quoted by Sengupta, op.cit., p. xvii) states that in Krishna's horoscope the Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Saturn are exalted, the ascendant in Taurus, Jupiter in the 11th house, thus in his domicile Pisces, the Sun in Leo, Venus in Libra, and Rahu in Scorpio. This is an idealised horoscope where all planets are either exalted or in domicile (although Bṛhatparāśarahorāśāstra 47.35 teaches the exaltation of Rahu in Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio!). (See picture

Ideal birth chart of Krishna according to the 15-century Sanskrit text Khamanikya, based on exaltations and domiciles of the planets

) Although possible in principle, no such configuration can be found between 13000 BCE and 3000 CE, neither using a sidereal nor the tropical zodiac. (Tested by D. Koch)

The same ideal horoscope is given by Suresh Sharma (chart no. 3) at: http://shimlasuresh.blogspot.ch/2012/01/on-horoscope-and-date-of-birth-of-sri.html . He also lists a few other idealised horoscopes which are based on exaltations and domiciles, but all without date.


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