Nation: USA No.3

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Nation: USA No.3 Gender: N/A
Boehrer/Dobyns Virgo chart
born on 4 July 1776 at 09:36 (= 09:36 AM )
Place Philadelphia PA, USA, 39n57, 75w09
Timezone LMT m75w09 (is local mean time)
Data source
Timed, original source unknown
Rodden Rating C
Collector: Rodden
Astrology data s_su.18.gif s_cancol.18.gif 13°01' s_mo.18.gif s_aqucol.18.gif 22°37 Asc.s_vircol.18.gif 11°46'


Date of the Declaration of Independence, considered by some astrologers as the chart of the U.S. The time has been open to debate for a number of years. The various charts are entered and numbered, in order that students of the dilemma may consider the historic documentation available along with the astrological symbology.

Dates for rectification given with U.S. chart No.1.

Source Notes

Quarterly, An Astrological Journal, Capricorn Issue, Vol. 1, Number 4, Winter 1975/1976.

Dr. Zip Dobyns arrived at the same time independently as well as corresponding with James Boehrer. She quotes Pauline Maier, "American Scripture: Making the Declaration of Independence," Alfred A Knopf, New York 1997, p.150, "Careful research has been devoted to determine when exactly the Declaration was approved - late morning, not evening, seems most likely." "Letters of Delegates to Congress, 1774-1789, Vol 1-!V" reads, "The Congress this morning, July 4, 1776, directed us to confer with the Committees of Safety and Inspection ...etc." Charles Thomson's journals of the Congress read, "This statement, that Congress 'this morning' directed the committee to confer with the several groups specified, provides the best evidence available for determining the approximate time at which the Declaration of Independence was adopted, a question that has long puzzled scholars and remained unanswered until the significance of this letter was discovered."

Congressional Records report it was the third order of business, completed before noon, and rectified by Dobyns to 9:36 AM.

ISAR, 2/06/2001, sent a message from associate Peter Tyrde, in regards to a source of data regarding the USA Independence chart: "Ted Gormick (of Hong Kong), who has studied the subject for over 50 years.... Ted said that his source was the Quarterly Magazine of Nov 1976, published by Princeton University, which made reference to a letter in the Thomas Jefferson library. From the letter there it appeared that the declaration could not pass on 2nd July, 1776 because of disagreement, but finally the town crier announced at noon on 4th July, 1776 that late that morning the declaration for independence had been officially adopted."

Wayne Turner writes, 9/2002, "Last week I made the happy discovery that the college library across the street from my apartment where I'm doing most of my research has all 26 volumes of the Letters of Delegates to Congress 1774-1789 on their shelves. These were edited by Paul H Smith who wrote the article on the Delcaration that I mentioned in an earlier message. On pages 379-382 of Volume 4 the evidence regarding the approval of the Declaration is presented and the conclusion is that it was passed between 9:00 and 11:00 am. I'm hoping that you can help disseminate this information so political astrologers will be able to begin investigating historically plausible charts for the founding of the US. I know that most people do not change their minds easily after making public commitments, but I think we should take historical evidence seriously if we expect our own work to be respected."


  • Mundane : Political : Birth of State or Country (USA founding)