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« on: 07.02.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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Nation: Israel, born 14 May 1948 at 4:47 PM in Tel Aviv
 
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  • Is Arial Sharon going to bring peace or war to Israel? Can you predict a month for a peace settlement or the outbreak of war?
  • Historically, what have been the astrological portents of Israeli war and peace? Lets look at the war charts: Israel's birth in 1948, the 1956 Suez crisis, the 1967 six day war, the 1973 Yom Kippur/Ramadan War, the 1982 massacres in Lebanon lead by Sharon, the 1987 Intefada I and 19xx Intefada II. Plus the peace charts: Camp David 1979, Madrid 1991, Oslo 1993, Jordan treaty 1993, Gulf Cooperation Council 1994, Hebron 1997, Netanyahu-PNA 1998. Can we find the "trigger" points in the chart? (pun intended.) I wonder if a rectification program like JigSaw would help?
  • Has Sharon made an internal shift for peace as his ads indicate or is he the same old fighter underneath the ad campaign? Can a 73-year-old leopard change his spots? Is he another Begin - a hawk who can make peace without looking weak?
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« Reply #1 - on: 22.08.2002 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Gimelstar
 
I'm glad to see the 29 degree Libra chart posted as an alternative. It is the chart that I think best suits Israel's national character. It is a degree that is on-edge, always reassessing and weighing everything from the value of it's currency, to the latest light-bulb joke.  
Israelis talk a lot, socialize and act as every new-comer's language teacher, psychologist and guide to life in general. They are always anxious to hear visitors impressions, reports concerning their image abroad, a new US administrations views of Israel, and "is it good for the Jews."
Such an image conscious, and security conscious society, with the Sun in Taurus, Moon in Leo conjunct the MC. My brother once met an Israeli on a cruise ship as he was en route to Israel. The senior Israeli had arrived in Israel just after being released from the German concentration camps as a teenager. He had fought in the Israel Army in the War of Independence, the Six-Day war and the Yom Kippur War. He recounted Israel's history to my brother, which was his own personal history as well (Neptune in the 12th and the uncounsious). Yes, Israeli's are rather obsessed with their own country, their history and their future. (Uranus rules the 4th) Therefore, the Leo MC with the Moon conjunct and Pluto, Saturn and Mars in Leo in the 10th are unquestionably correct.  
Israel is extremely proud of national achievements, sports achievement, also in the fields of arts and literary achievements. The revolutionary return and revival of a culture and language (Aquarius on the cusp of the fourth house - Uranus near the 9th cusp) are further evidence of the forward-looking energetic Israeli national character.
The central role of religion and ritual in Israeli life, celebrations of holidays and personal celebrations of birthdays, bar mitzvas and weddings, and another important feature in Israeli life. ( Jupiter in Sagittarius close to the 3rd cusp). Venus in Cancer ruler of the eighth house- love of home and transformation (rebirth) of philosophy of life. In fact, the land of Israel is the partner, the marriage of the Jews with their homeland (Sun in Taurus in the 7th rules the 10th).
Mercury in its own sign of Gemini is powerful in the 8th house, as the small nation takes an international central role, Mercury sextile Moon, Pluto and Saturn in the 10th house. And Mars in Leo in the 10th shows the strong military, which must strive against the open enemy, sharing it's political struggle (Venus in the 9th) with the unconscious and secret foe, Libra on the cusp of the 12th as well as the first house.
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« Reply #2 - on: 19.10.2003 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Stephen Baxter
 
I have known good astrologers to express dismay at this chart. It looks troubled, menacing and deadly. I say it describes Israel, her history and her situation, quite clearly. It does not constitute justification, because astrology has no connection with justification. The troubled features are consistent with a populace vexed by constant danger. Here is a nation determined to survive who is surrounded by bitter enemies.
If I were an enemy, I would think twice before attacking any nation with a close Mars/Jupiter trine. They will win more often than not. If I were an enemy of Israel, I would find an alternative to armed conflict. I would plan to share in her prosperity instead.
Scorpio Ascendant is quite right, I believe. The "Don't Tread on Me" attitude is so very Scorpionic. This chart is a blend of practical resourcefulness and spiritual intensity.
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« Reply #3 - on: 09.12.2003 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Furheen
 
There is an absolute warning in the chart to coorperarate with partner or else face negation. Isreal is only working on the inherent selfish instincts which are not what it is supposed to do in this lifetime rather he is supposed to work towards the establishment of a give and take partnership. The 10th house visible to the public clearly displays the conflicts of both parties. Yes the children of Israel are at a constant state of fear and threat from the partner. The partner is not at peace either, hostility deciet from partner, fear of rejection.
The psychological make up of the native denotes emotional habit formation need to address security issues regarding home,having to fight for identity.Abnormal sensitivities of the mind and nervous system. look at the aspect of the nodes very foretelling. Very karmic!
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« Reply #4 - on: 10.11.2004 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Dawn Woodhouse
 
Using Sidereal chart, Isreal's planets were conjunct or opposed by eclipses on these occasions:
Solar Eclipse May 31 2003 15 taurus 26 (natal Mercury 17taurus17) Lunar Eclipse May 16 2003 0 Scorpio 59 (natal Sun 0Taurus33)
Lunar Eclipse May 4 2004 20 Libra 17 (natal Ketu 20Li34) Solar Eclipse Oct 3 2005 16 Virgo 22 (natal neptune 17Vi27)
Eclipses seem to trigger events, which must therefore be otherwise indicated in the chart
It shortly after the first set of eclipses in 2003 that President Bush put his plan into action calling for a separate Palestinian State. The first US president to do so.
The plan stalled, but with the 'death' of Arafat and President Bushs chart indicating he will be acting quickly and intensely to accomplish his aims, and the Dasa in 2006 of Mercury showing success in accomplishing wishes and ideals; the plan looks set for a revival.
Success, but also struggle is indicated in President Bushs chart. There are some powerful indications in his chart which I have outlined on the Bush page here that say he can make a success out of a negative situation. Hence the death of Arafat being negative for Arafat will be positive for the aims of President Bush to create a separate Palestinian State.  
Expect Success.
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« Reply #5 - on: 02.02.2005 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User wayne penner
 
A tough chart no doubt but not one easily defeated. I would never underestimate Mars with Regulus in the 10th, certainly when square Sun ...
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« Reply #6 - on: 09.08.2005 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User
 
My comment is as follows based on sidereal/vedic astrology.The first thing that to me is important is the position of the archangel michael in leo in the 11th house;aspected by jupiter from the 3rd;ascendant lord in the 9th also aspected by jupiter;but the nodes occupy ascendant and 7th;moon in 10th with saturn;my interpretation:-Mars in our understanding of astrology is equivelent to Michael and as such according to the book of daniel he will stand for israel in the last days.Thus israel though having libra ascendant sidereally speaking is "protected".Jupiter represents God's Providence,and with his aspect on the ascendant lord is a keeper and on mars says as stated above.But moon with saturn,nodes afflicting ascendant and 7th makes israel's quest for peace very difficult(libra).And it is to be noted as explained above Israel shall always have allies.But Israel like in olden times shall not openly turn to The Lord YAHWEH tsaboath(THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS).This may be explained by my points given above.Yet the abrahamic covenant still stands With israel ultimately gaining the upper hand in the end according to the bible.I thank others for their/any further comments.Currently israel is having the sidereal period of the moon(10th lord) but the north node sub period(untill june 2006) is chaotic.others may comment accordingly.Thank you ALL and THE LORD GOD OF THE HEAVENS AND THEIR ARMIES(INCLUDING THE PLANETS)AND EARTH BLESS.
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« Reply #7 - on: 09.08.2005 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User suresh
 
Please note that the below comment is from me(concerning Michael,etc).
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« Reply #8 - on: 16.08.2005 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User dawn woodhouse
 
As mentioned on a number of occasions, including 11/10/2004 on this page, and up till last year on the george bush page, the separate palestinian and israeli states will be a major achievement for the bush presidency.  
This indicates another step forward in the process.
 http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050815/D8C0DDVG0.html
Israel Begins Withdrawal From Gaza Strip  
Aug 15, 1:54 PM (ET)
By AMY TEIBEL (AP) Israeli security forces cut the perimeter fence of the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim, within... Full Image  
NEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip (AP) - Tearful Jewish settlers locked gates at their communities, formed human chains and burned tires to block troops from delivering eviction notices Monday as Israel began to pull out from the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation.
Police and soldiers waited patiently in the sweltering sun and avoided confrontations at the behest of their commanders. At one spot, a sobbing settler pleaded with a general not to evict him before the two men embraced.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said in a televised speech Monday that the Gaza pullout was a painful step, both for the nation and for himself, but that it was essential for Israel's future.
A grim-looking Sharon said it is now up to the Palestinians to clamp down on militants and stop violence. "To an outstretched hand we will respond with an olive branch," he said.
Over the next three weeks, Israel plans to dismantle all 21 Jewish settlements in Gaza and four in the northern West Bank. The withdrawal marks the first time Israel is giving up settlements on land claimed by the Palestinians for their future state.
While Sharon says the pullout will improve Israel's security, Jewish settlers fiercely opposed the plan and promised stiff, but nonviolent resistance.
But in a sign that at least some of the holdouts might leave by a Wednesday deadline, protesters permitted a convoy of moving trucks to enter the Neve Dekalim settlement Monday afternoon.
"It's a painful and difficult day, but it's a historic day," Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz said.
For most of his political career, Sharon had led Jewish settlement expansion in the West Bank and Gaza. As recently as two years ago, he said Israel would not give up even small, isolated Gaza settlements.
"But the changing reality in the nation, region and world made me change my mind and change my position," Sharon said in his address Monday. "We cannot hold Gaza for good. More that a million Palestinains live there, doubling their numbers every generation."
In Gaza City, Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas set Jan. 21 as the date for long-delayed legislative elections.
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« Reply #9 - on: 18.12.2005 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User dawn woodhouse
 
Well Today we have Moon conjunct Saturn in Cancer (sidereal) in the grand square with Mars in Aries, Neptune in Capricorn and Jupiter in Libra, aspecting Natal Pluto 19 - Saturn 23 _ Moon 11 in the Cancer 10th house of Israel.
Its been announced that PM Sharon has been taken to hospital. Looks like in a serious condition. Mars is a Maraka for Libra Ascendant and is approaching Pluto-Saturn in the 10th.
Venus is actually the 8th lord for the chart and is currently in Capricorn and a fair way off joining the main aspect. it in fact goes retrograde right back into sag BEFORE it goes forward.
A Maraka is quite capable of killing. But usually the 8th lord is implicated. And Venus the 8th lord goes retrograde BEFORE it completes the aspect. Looks like he might escape his demise at this point in time.
Other aspects are quite difficult.
Hence troubles for israel are not over.
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« Reply #10 - on: 04.01.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User dawn woodhouse
 
At time of my last post Mars was 14 Aries (lahiri sidereal)
 Now its 18 Aries and natal pluto in 10th house of israel is 19 cancer. VERY CLOSE.
Its significant as pluto is in 10th house of israels chart ie prime ministers.
Venus 8th ruler is retrograde.
As said previously when sharone ended up recovering from previous stroke, the aspects are extremely bad and can kill so that the negative aspects were not over
"Looks like he might escape his demise at this point in time.
Other aspects are quite difficult.
Hence troubles for israel are not over." dawn 18 december 2005
This time the aspect of mars is almost on pluto.
Timing in cardinal signs is quick. hence one day or one week till an event.
Venus and saturn are both retrograde. A delay is in order.
The delay MAY be that the interim prime minister is there for an extended time. OR that theres no instant death, as some expect.
By or around 11 March some change of government might take place, or some announcement.
I suggest that when venus goes forward and makes aspect to 10 house planet new prime minister will be elected, old regime will die. Lets see.
serious aspects are being made to the isreal chart, and as I said in previous post, the stroke of Sharon in december was not the end of it, just a reprieve for that time.
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« Reply #11 - on: 28.03.2006 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Pat Paquette
 
The first degree of Scorpio might fit many peoples' concept of Israel, but in fact there is no uncertainty about birth time. It was at midnight, May 15, when the British Mandate of Palestine expired. It doesn't matter when Ben-Gurion's speech began or ended, because his proclamation acknowledges that the new state will exist as of midnight. A copy of the proclamation can be found online at http://www.trumanlibrary.org/israel/declare.htm
This is better than a birth certificate and should move this chart up to Rodden AA.  
Midnight birth makes Israel a 14' rising Aquarius, with a startling conjunction of Moon, Saturn, and Pluto on the descendant. A new discussion might perhaps look at how past analyses have been off due to error in birth time.  
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« Reply #12 - on: 07.04.2006 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Is this nation really worth fighting WWIII over?
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« Reply #13 - on: 06.06.2006 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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No, it is not worth fighting for.
And to be frank, I cannot fathom why it is that the US feels so obligated to defend Israel when that nation has shown on numerous occassions that it is no more a moral world leader than Darfur.
I can only assume that the blind US defense of Israel stems from the Jewish power base in NY and american law as well as doctrinal neo-classical positions on religious Christianity and its roots in Jewish heroes.
Regarless, as China rises from the ashes, she will not stop at Israel as she ventures west.
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« Reply #14 - on: 07.06.2006 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Ruthy
 
Anon,
This IS an astrology board. Your obvious negative feelings towards Israel don't belong here.
I copied this sentence (with a "small" change, israel instead of Bono) from YOUR comment on Bono's chart.
So why preach others if you can't avoid doing it yourself?
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« Reply #15 - on: 12.07.2006 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Helena  
 
"...meanwhile things are fally apart in the mid east while the usa remains quagmired in iraq..." sandstone
Eight Israeli soldiers have been killed and two more kidnapped, this time by Hezbollah in Lebanon. So the Israelis have kidnapping incidents in Gaza and Lebanon. At about 1:45 p.m. PDT, CNN announced Israel's cabinet approved military action in response to the latest kidnappings/murders.
Against the backdrop of Mars/Pluto, Saturn/Uranus, and Saturn/Neptune transits, transiting Saturn is within a degree of Israel's Pluto which is natally conjunct Saturn. Transiting Mars squares Israel's Sun and is approaching Israel's Mars which is natally conjunct Saturn. Transiting Moon opposes Saturn.  
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« Reply #16 - on: 14.07.2006 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User sandstone
 
helena, this conflict has been going on for sometime, whether simmering in the background, or full blown like it is now... back on june 8/9th area air strikes, and shelling killed 10 Palestinians...that was a beginning and prelude to what has taken place since...i am not picking sides.. both sides are responsible for what is taking place. it seems ehud olmart as political rep is not interested in anything but a full blown military assualt in response to the events that have taken place since... it also seems the palestinians are also only interested in seeking revenge for those innocents killed along the way.. when both parties are only interested in revenge, it can only result in chaos.. that is the choice we are facing on the planet it seems.. olmarts birthdata is sept 30 1945.. i don't have an exact time, but he was born in binyamina israel..
i had commented on it somewhere else, but the prog chart for israel has prog mars and prog moon at 26 virgo presently and applying to natal jupiter by square.. natal jupiter is involved in the only opposition in the chart to uranus, so these prog planets{which also include prog venus at r uranus and p uran exact opp r jup} are essentially creating a t square by progression which will continue to intensify, and one could say have been intensifying for some time.. when the prog moon gets beyond this area and into libra, one would hope for more tranquility and peace..
if anyone has a chart for palestine i would like to know about it..
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« Reply #17 - on: 14.07.2006 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Helena  
 
"...back on june 8/9th area air strikes, and shelling killed 10 Palestinians...that was a beginning and prelude to what has taken place since..." sandstone
I don't have the knowledge or experience of progressions, let alone in connection with world events to respond intelligently to your comments. I think you're saying progressed Uranus is opposing natal Jupiter and progressed Moon/Mars (exact) t-square both. Is there something unique that the progressions reveal that transits do not, or do they mirror one another? The p Moon/Mars square p Uranus is certainly volatile and indicative of a hair trigger for hostility and violence (with Jupiter magnifying). If I understand you correctly, these progressions have been operative for sometime. However, it's only within the last two or three days with the current transits in play that the conflict has escalated to a dire level when Israel's cabinet approved military action against Lebanon, and the leader of Hezbollah declared war on Israel.  
I forgot that I originally intended to respond to the quote above. At that time, transiting Mars and Saturn were near or conjunct Israel's Moon.
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« Reply #18 - on: 15.07.2006 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User sandstone
 
helena, transits and progressions work together to form a more complete picture.. i mostly talk about progs here at adb, as it is something that many folks here seem to either know little about, or they aren't talking about them as much...transits on the other hand are more obvious, but my understanding is one needs to blend the two in order to get a better idea of the predictive nature of astrology..
when you take a few transits for june 8/9th as an example- pluto at 26 sag, venus at 11 taurus, and jupiter at 10 scorpio and you put them on a 90 degree wheel with israels chart you notice how the 3 of them are all tied together at the jupiter/uranus opposition.. perhaps the most important transit is the pluto to natal jupiter. also, israels natal chart consists of a pluto/jupiter 135.. overlap the secondary progs and you will see the mars/moon at 26 virgo right at the midpoint of jupiter/uranus opp and right at the pluto transit(via square). these progs in relation to the transiting pluto and natal seems significant.. the passing of mars by transit to natal pluto and by extension- natal jupiter and all the progs as i have mentioned is significant as well, but more from an angle of releasing what is being suggested in the prog/transit chart combo i have outlined. one would have to say something of significance is coming up for israel based on these progs and the quicker transits- mars and etc will release what is suggested in these progs. that is a brief synopsis from my limited understanding... i encourage you to look into secondary progressions in combination with transits to get a stronger understanding of astrology.. astrology is like life- the opportunities to learn something new is endless.. i hope this is of some help.
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« Reply #19 - on: 15.07.2006 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User sandstone
 
the most exact aspect in the chart is between jupiter and pluto actually.. 135 exact... novile between uranus and moon is exact as well.. i consider the most exact aspect in a chart to be worthy of greater consideration.
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