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« on: 29.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Elizabeth Dole, born 29 July 1936 at 01:55 AM in Salisbury NC
 
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  • Dole is known for single-minded pursuit of her goals. She once quipped, "Some pundits say that I'm scripted but according to my notes, that's not true." One might expect a load of Capricorn in her chart. In fact she has Sun in Leo square Uranus and trine Jupiter with nothing in Capricorn. So where does this driving force come from?
  • Sun, Mercury and Venus are all in Leo. How come we don't see more Leo energy in her actions?
  • She became much more religious after 1982. Can you find indications in her chart?
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re: Elizabeth Dole
« Reply #1 - on: 13.06.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Sue Simmons
 
You keep thinking Capricorn is this big driving force but that's what Leo is. Fixed fire. Once they get set on a course they keep on going. Leo is ruled by the Sun, so they usually have strong constitutions. Capricorn is cardinal earth. They are like the  tortoise whereas Leos are more like the hare. I think she is very Leo. A workhorse, head of big organizations and govt. agencies, and sees her own immediate environment but can't see the larger picture when it come to other people's views and motivations. The Cancer SN, Mars and Pluto gives her even more perseverance, as well as business sense and probably explains why a Republican headed the Red Cross.
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« Reply #2 - on: 08.05.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Carla  
 
This is just a quick remark to many of the previous messages which have commented on "Saturn conjunct the MC." I would simply like to point out that while the Saturn placement here is definitely significant (square the ascendant, at the top of the chart, etc., as others have noted), it is found at 22 degrees of Pisces, not at all conjunct the MC at almost 28 degrees of Aquarius. Planets which are at the beginning of the tenth house in an equal house system are not necessarily conjunct the MC, which is a mathematically derived, specific point.  
I've appreciated all the comments on this chart so far!
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« Reply #3 - on: 08.05.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Southern Cross
 
Mars-Pluto gives Elizabeth Dole great driving force. Showy and energetic Leo traits did appear at an early age (chart ruler Mercury conjoins Sun-Venus), as she was May Queen and student body president at Duke. To her mother's dismay, however, she chose a career. Eighth-house ruler Saturn in Pisces tenth gives powerful career ambition, and a very controlled ego. Saturn (doubt) square Chiron (humility) on Ascendant brings restrained modesty, and Jupiter (faith) square Neptune (religiosity) complete a wide-orb Grand Cross. In 1982, her converse Asc. at 22° Aries exactly semi-sextiled natal Saturn, producing career (tenth) doubts, which she overcame by taking religion (Pisces) more seriously (Saturn). Semi-sextiles operate like small conjunctions, making things happen.  
E. Dole is a talented (Uranus) woman who has shown organizational and managerial (Saturn) skills during her many years in Washington. Her domiciled Sag. Jupiter (politics) is close to the seventh (marriage) which it rules, but is still in the sixth - the derived twelfth (natural Neptune-like house) of the seventh. This shows her work on Bob Dole's campaigns, and the past dependency on his political dreams (compare Tipper Gore's disillusioned Sag. Jupiter also in sixth). She entered government as an LBJ Democrat, but with Gemini opportunism and Sagittarian flexibility turned Republican after marriage (compare former Goldwater girl now NY liberal Hillary's Gemini Uranus near Asc. and own Sag. Jupiter).  
E. Dole's progressed Asc. conjoined double-natured Mercury during her under funded l999 presidential bid. Her converse Asc. conjoins Saturn in 2002, and opposes Neptune in 2006, and the progressed MC hits Uranus in 2004, promising surprises. Coincidentally, these are elections years. Since all these planets relate to the tenth house, it may be premature to say her Washington career is over, given the Mars-Pluto (comeback) trine to Saturn.
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« Reply #4 - on: 04.05.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Michael Bradford
 
Elizabeth Dole's Vedic / Sidereal chart very clearly demonstrates the ability that has characterized her career and the focus and drive that have enabled her to put that ability to such effective use.  
Ascendant lord Venus participates in a powerful Raja yoga with 5th lord and mutual great friend Mercury in the 3rd house of communication (speaking engagements & campaigning) and travel (Transportation Secretary). This yoga is enhanced by the fact that Mercury also forms a similar Raja yoga with the Sun, as well as a Buddha-Aditya (unbounded knowing) yoga, which is very strong as Mercury rules the 5th house of intelligence. As all these yoga-forming planets (and the 1st house) are aspected by Jupiter, retrograde and angular in a friend's sign, their power is augmented even further.  
Another factor which adds tremendously to her political stature is the Maha Bhagya yoga created as a consequence of the fact that she was born at night, with Sun, Moon and ascendant all in even numbered signs (Indira Gandhi also had this combination). And if this were not enough to ensure a stellar career, Raja Yoga Karaka Saturn (lord of the 9th and 10th houses) sits alone and very bright, directly overhead in the night sky in its own sign in the 10th house of career. Her Moon (public recognition), although debilitated, is bright, waxing, angular, associated with benefic Jupiter and aspects the 1st house.  
The lunar mansion (Nakshatra) rising in Taurus is Mrigashirsha, particularly noted for its association with paths and travel (Transportation Secretary). Ascendant lord Venus sits in the lunar mansion of Aslesha, which is said to signify powerful personal energy, tremendous focus, great stamina and intelligence. Given all this, there is no shortage of 'driving force' in the chart when it comes to accomplishment!  
To answer the second question, her career style has not shown 'Leo energy' because her 10th house is occupied by a powerful Saturn in its own sign, unmodified by any other planet. This has given a steady, resourceful career that has been built on solid, lasting accomplishments.  
And as for question 3 about her spiritual shift, in late 1982 she was in a Venus - Mercury - Jupiter life cycle (dasha). Ascendant lord Venus and Mercury aspect the 9th house of spiritual practice, and both planets are aspected in turn by the naturally spiritual Jupiter (called Guru in Sanskrit).  
As in many other charts that we have seen on AstroDatabank, the three primary planets that convey fame, ability, and success are Mercury, Venus and Saturn (see Albert Einstein, Bill Gates, Martin Frankel, Donald Trump, Ricky Martin, Nikola Tesla). When these three friends are strong and form the main dynamic of a chart, it would seem that there is very little that they cannot accomplish.
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re: Elizabeth Dole
« Reply #5 - on: 03.05.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Lanette Africa-Williams
 
In regard to question no. 2, Mrs. Dole has Mars in Cancer very close to the cusp of the first and second house. The location of Mars by house and sign is indicative of an individual's "passions" in life. Mars in Cancer (the sign of home and motherhood) to me explains not only the answer to question 2 but also the source of Mrs. Dole's driving motivations. Mars is also the first planet in Mrs. Dole's chart. It is the planet that rules her chart and her. Without seeing a chart for the exact date of Mrs.. Dole's "religious experience" with chart synastry, it would be difficult to explain her spiritual change.
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« Reply #6 - on: 03.05.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Geoffrey Hillend
 
Elizabeth Dole has Saturn conjunct the MC in the tenth house trine Pluto in the second. Saturn rules the tenth house and Capricorn. Mars conjunct Pluto trine Saturn makes her very ambitious and hard driving since Mars represents drive and self assertiveness. Her Mars is also in aspect to her MC. With Pluto in aspect to both Mars and Saturn you could say she's a bit too hard driving and ambitious or Capricornian.  
Maybe Elizabeth Dole has become more religious since she has Jupiter square Neptune opposition Saturn which may have disillusioned her with too much of an inner, a priori sense of faith based on revelation, and over active imagination which disillusioned her causing her to develop her intellect or repressed thinking.  
Elizabeth Dole's need for conventional and orthodox religion can be signified by her need for conscious discrimination or her lack of air, Mercury trine Jupiter in a wide square with Saturn.
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re: Elizabeth Dole
« Reply #7 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Anonymous
 
A "driving force" is certainly consistent with Sun conjunct Pluto and Mars conjunct Pluto. In addition, Saturn on the Midheaven gives Ms. Dole the "Capricornian" appearance, where the public is concerned, to which question 1 alludes. Rulers of the 4th and 12th house conjunct her sun, so the natural inclination of those houses (the energy is more inward, subconscious) may color her expression of her Sun in Leo. Plus, Pluto/Scorpio likes to observe without being under the microscope itself, so, as a conjunction to her Sun, it may cause her to be more secretive and observant and behaviorally calculating than the normally outgoing Leo Sun. She has certainly demonstrated the ambition and prominence one could expect a Leo Sun to crave. Jupiter conjunct the Moon in Sagittarius is an indicator of an attraction towards the "moral authority" of the church as a way of honoring one's emotional needs. In addition, Neptune conjuncts the Descendent out of the third house, which indicates that the mind is inclined to consider Neptunian issues and that her fourth house emotional foundation must address the purview of Neptune (God, unconditional love, spirituality, etc.) in order to honor her chart placements.
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« Reply #8 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User
 
I'm not an American, so I don't follow this lady very closely. However, I'm into politics and she is too. Everything in the chart is pointing towards the Jupiter in Saggymondo. It's the top of the T square, and she's a career politician, married to one, and has the religious zeal of one. Jupiter is in a quintile figure with Uranus and the mid heaven also, so, maybe she has some talent here after all, I don't know. Why do politicians always have to be legal beagles also? Chalk a lot of the activity she experienced in 87 up to the transit of Saturn through Saggymondo over her Moon and Jupiter probably. Oh yea, and Jupiter was in Aries her solar 9th Religion and politics. You can't have the one without the other. Sort of like that song, love and marriage... Seems to be a tendency of fire/water types... 82 had Uranus over her Moon/Jupiter? Giving her the proverbial 'awakening'...  
I like how Saturn sits up near the top of the chart. I can see how her ambitions dovetail favorably with her political aspirations, and her Leoian nature. Even if it's in her solar 8th, there's a lot of determination and discipline to see things through here. I also notice the sesquisquares from the Mars/Pluto conjunction, to the Moon/Jupiter conjunction using midpoints of course, are another driving astroforce to further emphasize all this concentration on the Jupiter/Moon conjunction.  
Oh my God, it looks like I answered the questions without thinking about it. Let me know if I get the answers right in my next box of cracker jacks, okay?
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« Reply #9 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User
 
No Capricorn in her chart? Her North Node is in Capricorn and it's ruler (Saturn) sits in Capricorn's house. According to the theory of the North/South Nodes, the planets which occupy Leo are not prominent in her chart and therefore less observable in her personality.
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« Reply #10 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Anon.
 
"Single-minded pursuit of her goals" -So where does this driving force come from?  
Several areas:  
<b>The single-minded purpose </b>- she has a 5 planet stellium (late Cancer - early Leo) Mars, Pluto, Sun, Mercury, Venus.  
<b>The driving force </b>- Mars conjunct Pluto Trine Saturn conjunct the Midheaven.  
Her career and marriage would be important since Jupiter the ruler of both houses is angular.  
I think her Leo is expressed in her life - she's been a leader - a charismatic one most of her life. Perhaps the Saturn at the top of her chart conjunct the Midheaven gives you the impression that she is cooler, less dramatic than a typical Leo would be - That is her Public identity. Not every Leo becomes an artist, actor, performer (however politicians - in my opinion are very much like performers!)
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« Reply #11 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Eleanor A. Buckwalter
 
Elizabeth Dole's driving force comes from Saturn in the 10th house, conjunct the MC. Saturn is trined by Mars, adding energy to ambition. Saturn, even in a 'weak" sign like Pisces, when it is in the 10th (its own house) acts like Capricorn. Werner Erhard has Saturn in Pisces in the 10th, too. Elizabeth's Sun in Leo is not placed in an angular house where we would expect it to show to the public. Her siblings, cousins, neighbors and others very close to her probably do see, and hear, a lot of Leo in her. Women tend to project their Sun qualities onto the men in their lives. Bob Dole, her husband, does her Leo by playing the buffoon in TV ads. In 1982 transiting Uranus crossed her Moon and in 1983 Jupiter returned to Sagittarius, crossing her Moon and then conjuncting its natal position. Uranus rules her 9th house of religion and both Jupiter and Sagittarius are always interested in ideology (religion and politics). With this going on in her 6th house of work, she probably concluded "getting jiggy with" God would be a valuable job asset.
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« Reply #12 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Amymaddalozzo
 
Dole has her Saturn conjunct her Midheaven - that is where all her ambition and drive come from. She has Gemini rising all of this Leo energy doesn't come thru. Saturn conjunct her Midheaven and square her rising degree would slow down the energy. As far as the religion, she has Uranus conjunct her Jupiter in the mid 1980's and that probably accounts for the increased religious influence.
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« Reply #13 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User William Autrey
 
Chiron in the first is almost always an obsession with personal growth and identity. A loaded 2nd house brings self-esteem out of one to excess. Leo feels they are central to everything. Saturn in Pisces in the 10th is tough love and sacrifice for others. North node in Capricorn in the 7th indicates tying oneself to a power person (Bob) Sun square Uranus is bulldog tenacity. She had no other choices with the charm she was born with. We are just who we are born which astrology teaches us.
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« Reply #14 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User DBrooks
 
Saturn in the 10th trining Mars and Pluto in the 2nd...I would say that speaks volumes of her ability to focus and have a successful career... so Saturn is prominent in her chart with harmonious aspects.
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re: Elizabeth Dole
« Reply #15 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Jonathan Dunn
 
Varuna = #20000, 1996 TL66 = #15874.  
Varuna is a TNO, listed among these cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/lists/TNOs.html and here is an interesting image showing relative sizes www.crosswinds.net/~johncody/TNOs.htm. It was previously named 2000 WR106, and there were various news stories trumpeting the discovery of something its size - www.spacedaily.com/news/kuiper-00d.html, www.discovery.com/news/briefs/20001205/sp_planet.html. No doubt this attention was the reason that it ended up with a name (adopted in early March) - the first TNO with a name - TNOs have been discovered since 1992 and there are 368 of them.  
1996 TL66 appears on the Minor Planet Center's "List Of Centaurs and Scattered-Disk Objects" - unlike the centaurs it is always beyond Neptune. It has a high eccentricity.  
"King of the Kuiper Belt" www.xs4all.ch/~carlkop/plutino.html.  
If you go to my website and do a search, you'll see my notes and links. Also, a search on google.com for either of these nets some interesting links. Here's a diagram of the orbit of tl66 cfa-www.harvard.edu/cfa/ps/lists/1996TL66.html and an early page on the object www.ifa.hawaii.edu/faculty/jewitt/kb/tl66.html.  
Here are a couple of astrological pages for it: jonathanclarkdunn.com/astro/search.cgi?target=TL66 www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/posts/96tl66.html www.inficad.com/~rnolle/features/various/1996TL66.html www.geocities.com/SoHo/7969/page4.htm http://www.jonathanClarkDunn.com
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« Reply #16 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Mark McDonough
 
I love how you backed up your point about Varuna with all whose examples, but I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering what are Varuna and TL66?
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« Reply #17 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Jonathan Dunn
 
Goodness. Here is another chart with a profoundly sharp 1996 TL66 aspect - in this case an opposition with the Sun to 8 minutes of arc: <pre>Sun 5:57:24 Leo 1996 TL66 5:48:01 Aquarius rx</pre>  
By transit, this "bulldozer" body was square that axis in late 1997, mid-1998, and early 1999.  
The exact character of 1996 TL66 natally seems a bit vague to me, except that it gives a lot of power and amplifies whatever it touches. Coming to have a much clearer character to me, however, is Varuna.  
As to the question "She became much more religious after 1982. Can you find indications in her chart?": I have seen religion (especially fundamentalist, hard-line, or requiring sacrifice) as a strong factor with the newly named large Trans-Neptunian body Varuna in a number of charts - including Bob Dylan, Cat Stevens, Salman Rushdie, TV evangelists, etc. So, my first thought was to check the transits to and from Varuna during 1982 - and it jumps right out - Varuna came up to a station close to Mrs. Dole's ascendant in 1982 - within 33 arc minutes of the ascendant position at the exact birth time given. Varuna spent time in this degree in 1983, 1984 and 1985 as well. <pre>01 Jan 1982 15 ge 19 Rx 01 Feb 1982 14 ge 52 Rx 01 Mar 1982 14 ge 44 01 Apr 1982 14 ge 58 01 May 1982 15 ge 30 01 Jun 1982 16 ge 16 01 Jul 1982 17 ge 2 01 Aug 1982 17 ge 42 01 Sep 1982 18 ge 6 01 Oct 1982 18 ge 9 Rx 01 Nov 1982 17 ge 50 Rx 01 Dec 1982 17 ge 17 Rx</pre> <pre>ASC 18 ge 43</pre> <pre>18 Sep 1982 18 ge 10 19 Sep 1982 18 ge 10 20 Sep 1982 18 ge 10 Rx 21 Sep 1982 18 ge 10 Rx</pre>  
Some Varuna examples:
  • Koresh: transiting Varuna was close to his MC at Waco  
  • Cat Stevens: natal Varuna tee square point with Sun Moon opposition  
  • Salman Rushdie: Varuna closely conjunct Ascendant (within 2 degrees)
  • Dalai Lama: square Sun (within 2 degrees)
  • Gandhi: square sun (2.5 deg)
  • Dylan: conjunct IC (2 deg), transiting Pluto exact opposition natal Varuna in 1979 - his religious turn
  • Joseph Smith: square Mercury Chiron conjunction (0:39, 2:10)
  • Jim Bakker: opposite Moon (2 deg) square Sun (4:04)
  • Tammy Faye Bakker: conjunct IC (1 deg) trine ASC (1 deg)
  • Jimmy Swaggart: at the time of his televised public confession, transiting Chiron & Varuna were squaring natal Sun (1 deg)
  • Laura Schlessinger : square Sun (1 deg)
  • Billy Graham : trine Sun (1:02)
  • Pat Robertson : conjunct Sun (1 deg)
  • Martin Luther : square Sun (1 deg)
  • Blavatsky : square Sun (2 deg)
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« Reply #18 - on: 30.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Thanks again for showing me another interesting chart....:-
        Bill Lindsay

 
Here is my commentary on the chart of Liz Dole...
  • <b>Single-minded pursuit of goals</b>... actually I would not expect a lot of Capricorn... I would expect a lot of self-motivation... she has tons of it around the first point of Leo... Mars, Pluto, Sun, Mercury and Venus in a chain of conjunctions in the 2nd-3rd Houses... all forming trines to Moon and Jupiter in Sagittarius... she certainly has a lot of fire and personal ambition... not enough room here to describe it all but the central figure here is the Sun in Leo, as well he should be... loves to be the center of attention and with Pluto nearby Liz will go to any length to reach her goals and achieve the affect that she wants... I note also the strong trine pattern with Saturn in the 10th in Pisces... Mars also stars in this show... there is indeed strong focus, and if you are looking for Capricorn energy Saturn has it, and in the 10th which only adds to it... all in all she wants people to be safe and free through her examples...
  • <b>Why no more Leo energy</b>.... well there is a lot of Leo energy there.... with Mars, Pluto, the Sun, Mercury and Venus close to the first point of Leo...(I take the zero point of a sign...0 Leo, 0 Aries, etc... to be the point where a sign's energy is most powerful, not where its power 'begins'...sign changes are a process that occurs from one zero point to the next, not an event that happens instantaneously as a planet crosses the zero point...nature does not work that way...so a planet at 27 Taurus, for example, is almost at the power point of Gemini...0 Gemini...so I would take it to be more a Gemini influence than a Taurus one...)...but I can see that there is some obstacle to her expression of Leo traits...she has Uranus in Taurus...in square to much of her Leo power...her motivation is somewhat tempered by how she was taught to conduct herself socially....she wants to come across very refined and tidy, and on some level she is ashamed of her more aggressive tendencies, or her strong desire for attention...so in some way and to some extent she offsets her Leo energy...this may be a failing of hers that not too many people understand...
  • <b>Religious</b>... she already bears the signature of a 'religious' person... her strength in Leo already supports the fire provided by her Sagittarius Moon and Jupiter... Sagittarius tends to carry great pride and faith in the past and history... religion is one way we celebrate the past deeds of our heroes and past leaders... they give us faith to move forward into the future without fear... as for transits, I don't have much time but I can point to two big ones that may have affected a big change... Uranus was passing through Sagittarius (in fact he spent a lot of time over her Moon and Jupiter that year)...she would have gotten many ideas and inspiration from this transit... sudden impulses and opportunities... greater urge to socialize, given Uranus' extreme nervous stimulation... Uranus was transiting trine to all her Leo strength... and Jupiter near the end of the year was approaching the power point of Sagittarius... casting trines to her Mars and Pluto (and Saturn up there)... Jupiter rules Sagittarius... and was about to 'enter' his own sign, to cover her Moon and his own place... her faith in her beliefs was no doubt boosted... and certainly that gave her great eagerness to travel and maybe explore other cultures and religions... communicate with foreign governments...and do what she could to help change the world with her strong Pluto vibes...
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re: Elizabeth Dole
« Reply #19 - on: 30.03.2003 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Robert White
 
What is her e-mail in Washington?????
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