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« on: 28.08.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Madonna, born 16 August 1958 at 07:05 AM in Bay City MI
 
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  • Where is the over-the-top sexual rebel in her chart?
  • Driving ambition made Madonna one of the richest self-made women in the world. Where is it in her chart?
  • Could you have predicted the transformation after Lourdes' birth in 1996?
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« Reply #1 - on: 06.09.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User amy maddalozzo
 
When madonna's daughter was born, Uranus in aquarius was going thru Madonna's 5th house opposing her venus. This is a classic birth transit. She also had pluto trine her venus and nearing a conjunct with her IC. Pluto is definitely transforming! I disagree with the others who think that this chart is not the correct one for Madonna. With virgo rising, Madonna has t he plants pluto, mercury and the moon also close to her ascendant. This places a big emphasis in her life on herself, her ego. Her mercury rules both her 10th house and ascendant, so its an important planet.
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« Reply #2 - on: 01.08.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Biss
 
about Madonna's birth time - well, I checked 3 independent web sites published her birth data and all of them pointed 7 AM as her birth time. I also don't believe myself that she has an Aquarius rising. She is a typical Virgo Rising and I even wonder how do you guys even suggest she could be something else. The most prominent planet in her chart is Pluto, very strong, conjuncting her Sun, Ascendant in 12th and Moon in 1st house which completely mirrors her deep, transforming powerful personality, drawn to mysteries, religion, secrecy. If she was an Aqua Rising, that would send her stellium involving Pluto, Sun, Uranus and Mercury in her 7th house( the house of partnership and cooperative disposition), which believe me - has to do nothing with her self centered personality, more over I have exactly same planets in my 7th house in Virgo and Leo and I definitely am not Madonna, although I wish I was.
and please, don't consider Virgos to be shy, we, Virgos, are far from shy, just not that showy, if we have luck to have some more fire planets in our charts - then watch out - that would give a channeled, very well precised power, cool business mind and greed for power individual. Isn't that just Madonna?  
Virgo Rising - that's it !
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« Reply #3 - on: 29.06.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Andrea
 
Cancer on the llth house cusp contains Venus in Leo: others are very sensitive concerning her music and artistry: it evokes feelings and friends are aware of her mother's death - it preoccupies her in private. Venus in Leo indicates why she is such a performer; her Mars is in Taurus like Timothy McVeigh's but it's in the ninth house so she is energetic traveling and meets her love interests overseas. Sage on the IC shows her religious upbringing and it wasn't as strict as she said. Scorpio on the 3rd house cusp: she's around some druggies. Siblings are addicts but very magnetic and mysterious. As for the riches part of it: Libra's on the 2nd house cusp - how she goes after money is directly through the arts and she does enjoy her work. Jupiter in Libra and Neptune in Scorpio (she likes the risqué) are conjunct here. So creative sexual appeal and magnetism (Neptune/Scorpio) are connected to a love of the arts (Jupiter/Libra). Uranus in the 12th makes me think she has psychic ability and Pluto in the 12th is a good indicator also. Capricorn on the 5th house cusp shows she will enjoy a strict upbringing for her kids - she says she never lets her daughter watch t.v. The Gemini MC seems good: she is always changing her look and style because of that mutable air quality here.
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« Reply #4 - on: 29.06.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User tomer gilat
 
madonna is leo, and her venus is in leo too, the virgo in her asc, moon and mercury.  
this combination is sex with style, her sexuality is not cheap. she knows how to put the right taste and style of the virgo, to show the high feelings of the leo. as a leo myself, i know about the sexuality of the sign.  
the sun & pluto are on the 12 house (pisces), the interest in religion. her song "like a prayer" is a mix between sex and religion. she is also learning "kabala" - a jew's secret wisdom.
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« Reply #5 - on: 08.06.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Anon.
 
Many sources seem to use 7.05 am as Madonna's birth time, but I also heard her say on the BBC that she has Aquarius rising - and how this was such an accurate depiction of her character.  
It would seem that Madonna is far too clever to get her own birth time/ ascendant wrong.  
Was she making a little joke on telly.... or is 7.05 pm actually correct?
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« Reply #6 - on: 04.06.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Mike
 
I've always loved Madonna. Her Jupiter in the 2nd house suggest expansion, money, possession! How lucky is that!!!! Sagittarius in the 4th house? Wow!!! Double luck! Great Retirement.
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« Reply #7 - on: 25.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Eva Carvajal
 
Question 1. The cluster of planets in her 8th house.  
Question 2. Mars is in Taurus in her 4th house; therefore, all of her energy is devoted to acquiring money and material possessions. She is truly a "Material Girl".  
Question 3. Jupiter is in Libra in her 10th house. I believe the 10th house usually rules the father, not the mother. But Lourdes is a Libra; and Jupiter benefits the mother/child relationship greatly.  
Note: Madonna has Chiron in Uranus opposing Uranus in Leo. This shows her "Achilles heel" and the devastating circumstances of the death (Uranus in Leo in her 8th house) of her mother during her childhood. Uranus in Leo conjunct her Sun in Leo shows that this deeply affected her sense of self, identity, and esteem. Her Moon and Pluto in Virgo in her 8th house describe her mother as being concerned with health, analytical, and critical. This also shows how Madonna will nurture and raise Lourdes. Pluto conjunct her Moon in Virgo transforms the agony of her mother's death into delight with being a mother herself. The conjunction between the Moon and Pluto gives added strength to the trine to Mars in Taurus, showing that she will provide, maintain, and be efficient, health-conscious, and extremely protective of Lourdes.  
The Grand Trine between her Sun in Leo, Saturn in Sagittarius, and Mars in Taurus describes her "never quit" attitude and this is further reinforced by her Pluto in Virgo conjunct her Sun.  
One laughable note, her Venus in Leo makes her believe she is the center of the world, and she is fortunate to have Venus, the planet of love, in Leo. This shows that she loves attention, is stuck on herself, the spotlight, the social scene, and can't stand not to be on display no matter what the cost. It also shows that her material possessions, leisure activities, sociability, money, and other things ruled by Venus come to her easily in a grand (Leo) manner.  
She believes that she is the "Queen" and that her fans are her subjects.  
Her North Node in Aries shows that she must move beyond her aggressive, attention-getting, wild antics if she is to balance her karmic debt with the South Node in Libra. She badly needs to learn the lessons of social propriety, the ability to talk to others in a socially acceptable manner, and to use her talents in a more Venusian manner.  
As her daughter Lourdes ages, she will be a model example of that which Madonna lacks. This is indeed a karmic relationship and shows already how Madonna has changed since becoming a mother.  
Madonna's deep-rooted fears of death and abandonment may cause problematic issues in her relationship with Lourdes. However, her South Node in Libra which is conjunct Jupiter in Libra trines Chiron in Uranus showing that both mother and daughter will greatly enhance and benefit each other.  
One bothersome note is that Madonna may be inclined to use Lourdes for material possessions or gain, or to manipulate and control to the extreme that Lourdes may eventually one day feel that she has no identity socially or personally except that as "Madonna's child" and may deeply resent not being able to be "her own person". However, once again, Jupiter may be able to iron out the tough issues of an identity crisis.  
Lourdes should watch out and make sure that she doesn't inherit her mother's "Achilles heel", Chiron in Uranus. However, without reading Lourdes chart, I cannot provide detail on that issue, but I believe that Lourdes will be able to deal with her mother's deep-rooted, deep-seated fears of death and abandonment because Madonna's Chiron is in Uranus, an air sign like Lourdes.  
To sum up, Madonna will likely never change her over-the-top sexual rebel unless she follows her South Node in Libra with the assistance of Lourdes when she is older. In all probability, Lourdes will be embarrassed by her mother's antics and this could be a great source of friction. But she will appreciate the gifts of stability, material possessions, and possibly acquire the "never-give- up" attitude of her mother provided that the problematic issues of becoming her own person does not interfere to the extent of her taking on the more vulgar personality traits of her mother and becoming a carbon copy of her mother. Lourdes must concentrate on becoming her own person, and learn the beneficial qualities of Madonna's character and personality; perhaps try to show her mother how to balance out her North and South node difficulties of social grace and propriety; and resist Madonna's attempts to make her a "little Madonna" or to be a carbon copy. This is shown by Virgo on Madonna's ascendant.
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« Reply #8 - on: 25.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
[continued from posting above:] by Eva Carvajal
Hopefully, Lourdes will rely more on Madonna's Pisces descendant and learn the qualities of compassion, oneness with the universe (not Madonna), and love for all instead of only love for oneself. Madonna can be cruel and vicious, gentle Lourdes must learn to stand up to her mother and show the Piscean qualities of true spiritual love, caring and concern for all things of nature, and embody the spirituality and emotions which Madonna so badly lacks since Madonna has only ethereal Neptune in water sign Scorpio in her 10th house. This shows that she may die a mysterious death of unknown causes. Neptune in Scorpio in her 10th house of career and "father figure" show that these two elements may play a part in her death. She has Libra on the cusp of her 10th house and Capricorn on the cusp of her 1st house. (Capricorn on the cusp of the first house also shows her strong will to succeed no matter the cost). Libra on the cusp of the 10th house of career may suggest a partner or relationship may be the impetus of her mysterious death
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« Reply #9 - on: 17.02.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User maurice
 
Sun Pluto in the 12th house clearly partly her obsession with religion, the strong attraction and repulsion, and the need to challenge the consensus opinions regarding spirituality. She is very religious, and throughout her career has made it clear that she feels having a mission to mix between sexuality and divinity (pluto sun 12th/leo sqr mars in taurus + neptune/jup in the 2nd house - house of sexuality).  
In any case those who doubt her virgo rising should know she is a perfectionist who runs a few miles daily to keep in good shape.  
Most Very famous people have a strong emphasis of Virgo and Pisces in their charts - "materializing fantasies".
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« Reply #10 - on: 11.09.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Marcus "Marky" Waters
 
Comment number two...  No, Madonna does NOT have an Aquarius Rising.. she is CLASSIC for Virgo Rising (please see my previous comment from 9/4 below) and , no, Virgo Rising/Virgo Moon is NOT shy.  Further, if she had Aquarius Rising she would, quite frankly, be prettier. The Aquarian ascendant is, for what ever reason, one of the most reliably physically attractive astrological components. (Yes, there are gorgeous Virgo Risings, too - quite a few, in fact - but it's less consistent, and Madonna's rather 'grody' looks are much more typical of Virgo asc. in its less impressive form.)
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« Reply #11 - on: 10.09.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Bob Marks
 
That cannot be Madonna's chart. The combination of a Virgo Moon and a Virgo Ascendant would make the native shy.  
That is definitely not one of her more noticeable traits.  
Perhaps the true birth time is PM, not AM. That error happens every now and then. Some hospitals check the appropriate box for AM or PM. Others cross out the other box.  
This new time gives her Aquarius Rising with Uranus in close opposition to the rising degree. All in all, a much more shocking configuration.
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« Reply #12 - on: 04.09.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Marcus "Marky" Waters
 
Her "over-the-top" sexual rebellion comes NOT from her Leo Sun, but from her Virgo Rising (hence, the on-target Marlene-thing she had going for a while, also Virgo Rising.) Those of this Ascendant often are perverse, I find, for shock-effect (from Beaudelaire to Deitreich to Hemingway to an in-drag Kurt Cobain, etc...) even to the point of claiming kinks - or trying to develop them - that they don't necessarily really have. It's all about affectations of freedom.. Further, Madonna's business sense is also mostly her Virgo Rising - so many corporate heads are... they're not always DEEP people, but have a degree of basic, left-brained intelligence and common-sense when their neuroses don't take over. And anybody, astrologer or not, could have predicted Madonna's transformation of Lourdes' birth - she has one (a transformation, not a baby) every 5 minutes.
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« Reply #13 - on: 29.08.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Professor Trelawney PmD. A Professor of Muggle Divinations (and certified witch), Hogwarts school
 
>1. Where is the over-the-top sexual rebel in her chart?  
If you used the magical techniques oulined in the books written by top german wizard R. Ebertin, you'd find the following magic formulas in that muggle woman's chart:  
Uranus/Mc = Sun= Venus (The faculty to arouse physical desire in others. A quick response to the stimulation of the nerves. Promiscuity in the expression of love.) *** Mars/Pluto = Venus (A passionate disposition) *** Aries Point = Venus/Pluto = Mars (A strongly sensual nature. A brutal or coarse expression of feelings. A special artistic giftedness. An intensified sex-expression) *** Sun/Venus = Uranus (A rebel artist. Self-willedness in love-relationship, artful or refined love. Free love. A reformed lover. A reformer in love) ***  
>2. Driving ambition made Madonna is one of the richest self-made women in the world. Where is it in her chart?  
Ahhh...once again, using Ebertin's magical midpoint formulas, one finds:  
World Axis (Aries Point - in the public eye) = Mars (drive) = Mc/Moon (The devotion to a task or cause both in body and soul)  
Sun/Node = Pluto (the desire to exercise influence over the masses.) *** Aries Point = Jupiter/Mc = Mars (The desire to create one's good fortune oneself, a clarity of purpose or objective in life, abandunt creative powers. ) *** Mercury/Neptune = Moon = Jupiter (Poet, actor. The inclination to harbor great hopes) *** Mercury/Node = Mars (Intense team work. The realization of thoughts and plans in common with others). *** Sun/Mars = Moon = Jupiter (A positive outlook on life. The striving for the attainment of power. successful activity) *** Mars/Pluto = Sun (A hard working person, the ability to work till collapse or complete breakdown. The attainment of success through excessive effort) *** Moon/Uranus = Saturn ( Striving for independence. Self willedness) *** Sun/Moon = Pluto *** Mercury/Saturn = Moon = Jupiter (The application of methods, thoroughness, industriousness, success with diffcult or irksome work). *** Mercury/Pluto = Mc (The ability to cope with any situation.) *** Pluto/Asc = Uranus (The unsual desire to attain success in life at all cost through rebellion). *** Mercury/Uranus = Sun (Over zealous character). *** Uranus/Pluto = Sun (The urge for independence and freedom. Untiring creative activity, the tendency to make the higher demands on one's physical energy). *** Sun/Asc = Pluto (The desire to attain influence, fighting against dependency on others). *** Saturn/Uranus = Pluto (The desire to overcome a difficult situation through extraordinary effort. Rebellion against one's lot in life). *** Moon/Pluto = Mercury (Far reaching plans, the pursuit of comprehensive ideas with great zeal. The gift to wield a powerful influence upon the larger public through speech or writing). *** As for her extraordinary wealth, this can easily be found in the chart using the very secret magical technique invented, formulated and practiced by the secret order of warlocks and wizards of the Hamburg school of Uranian Astrology, founded by Alfred "The great" Witte. To name just a few of the secret, copyrighted formulas found in this chart:  
Aries Point = Jupiter+Kronos-MC (Great money man. Successful and lucky manager. Financial giant) *** Mc = Apollon/Vulcanus (To be personally very successful, wealthy. To experience great prosperity. To have great influence and exercise power) *** Aries Point = Apollon+vulcanus-Kronos (Outstanding capabilities. Through ability to success. Exraordinary prosperity. Unusual successes). ***  
>3. Madonna has a new baby boy, Rocco. Becoming a mother for the first time in 1996 completely metamorphosed the hip, rebellious, outrageous, provocative sexy material girl into a more spiritual, compassionate, world-responsible seeker.  
>Could you have predicted the transformation after Lourdes' birth in >1996?  
I surely could and I surely have. When that Madonna muggle woman sent me a OwlMail, back in 1996 (muggle time), asking for lessons in Ka-ballistic magic spells, potions, divinations and the practice of immunity against the influence of dark forces, I took a quick peek at my crystal ball, and saw that Lady Madonna was about to transform herself from a Vestal Virgin (all those planets on the tropical Virgo Asc), to a sacred mother (after repeating the mantra by the favorite muggle band from "Beatle-Juice", stating: "Lady Madonna, Babies at your breast/ Wonder how you manage to spellbind all the rest. Lady Madonna, Children at your feet/ Wonder how you manage to resurrect dead meat" - or is it: "make ends meet"?).
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« Reply #14 - on: 29.08.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
[continued from posting above:] by Professor Trelawney PmD. A Professor of Muggle Divinations (and certified witch), Hogwarts school
 
Anyway, for all you beginner muggle astrologers, the signs for the so called "transformation" are there in the secondary progressions, Solar arc directions and transits:  
A. A Progressed Jupiter/Neptune exact conjunction, right on transit Poseidon (Hush hush...Poseidon's a secret, invisible to muggles, magical TransNeptunian, which rules spirituality, religion, world concept, among other things).  
B. Transit Pluto (The great transformer) conjunct natal IC. Transit Neptune and Jupiter conjoined, square natal Jupiter and NNode, and opposite natal Venus. Transit Uranus square natal Neptune.  
C. Progressed Sun, Moon and Uranus all hitting the World axis.  
D. Solar Arc Jupiter hit natal Ic. Solar arc Venus hit natal Asc. Solar arc Mercury hit natal Poseidon (spiritualized thinking).  
So, among other things, Transit Pluto and Directed Jupiter conjoined on the natal Ic.  
And all these Jupiter/Pluto and Jupiter/Neptune cosmic conspiracies can easily reflect the nature of the so called "Transformation", back in 96/97 (muggle time).  
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And BTW, Have you noticed the interesting New Moon she just had this Morning on her Mercury? Hehehe....Happy and lucky Mars/Uranus and Jupiter/Pluto oppositions to you all, muggle boys and gals!
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« Reply #15 - on: 29.08.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Rod Suskin
 
Although I agree from the analysis that this is Madonna's chart, for the sake of completion (or complete confusion?) I must report that in an interview on BBC TV about 2 years back, Madonna commented extensively on her "belief" in astrology, and added that she had Aquarius rising, and commented on how she related to Aquarius. This would be the case if she had a 7.05 PM birthtime rather than AM. It is a fascinating chart too...
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« Reply #16 - on: 28.08.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User William Autrey
 
If the fifth house means something about having and raising kids, Madonna will probably repeat the father figure in her life, Saturn in the 4th ruling the fifth. Of course the child will never be poor in the material sense. Her loaded 12th house shows she is not always in control of her life.
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« Reply #17 - on: 28.08.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Sandra Baker
 
The angular Saturn trine the Sun can account for the ambition but check out the triple conjunction on the Ascendant! This is one very determined, totally controlling lady. Don't ever count her out; she will rise phoenix-like from any career stumble she might make. The Saturn-Uranus trine will keep her ahead of the curve.
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« Reply #18 - on: 28.08.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Natori Moore
 
Where does one start with Madonna? Her Uranus-Mars-Chiron T-square certainly triggers her rebellious tendencies. Her Aries south node in the 8th demonstrates her familiarity and excess around sexual matters. Her daughter's Libra planets activated her natal north node in Libra, bringing a necessary balance and stability of values (2nd house) to her fiery nature. Madonna's natal Moon on the ascendant and her progressed Sun moving through the first house since she was 15 show her love affair with the public and her natural exhibitionism. Despite her occasional missteps and periodic crude (Mars-Uranus) paroxysms, I admire her overall journey and creative drive tremendously. I find it fascinating that her newborn son is also a Leo, with many chart similarities to Madonna. Now she will get a taste of her own medicine!
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« Reply #19 - on: 28.08.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Anon.
 
Saturn in 4th is not a surprise. I've seen numerous charts of (mostly women) who ran away, ran wild, etc when they reached their teens. ...(often reacting to abuse.)
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